Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/01/1993 09:10 AM Senate FIN

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  SENATE BILL NO. 46:                                                          
                                                                               
       An Act authorizing moose farming.                                       
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce  announced  that  SB   46  was  before  the                 
  committee.   Co-chair Frank MOVED  for adoption of  the work                 
  draft CSSB 46 dated February 26, 1993.  No objections having                 
  been raised, CSSB  46 was  ADOPTED for discussion  purposes.                 
  Co-chair  Pearce  invited  Teresa Sager-Stancliff,  Aide  to                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Mike Miller,  sponsor of SB  46, to join members  at                 
  the  committee table and speak to  the changes in the CS for                 
  SB 46.                                                                       
                                                                               
  TERESA SAGER-STANCLIFF,  aide to  Senator Mike  Miller, said                 
  the CS gave several state agencies regulatory authority over                 
  moose farming.   The Department  of Natural Resources  (DNR)                 
  would be  given the authority  to promote and  develop moose                 
  farming, and regulate it as it does domestic livestock.  The                 
  Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) would also be                 
  given the  authority to  regulate moose  farming as  it does                 
  domestic livestock.  That would mean DEC would be authorized                 
  to visit and  inspect moose  farms for experiments,  provide                 
  care and  breeding disease  prevention, and  certify that  a                 
  facility would be able to  prevent disease transmission from                 
  captive moose to wild moose or  other wild animals, and from                 
  captive livestock  to other  domestic livestock.   It  would                 
  also give  the  Department  of  Fish  and  Game  (DF&G)  the                 
  authority to require certain provisions of a moose facility.                 
  DF&G  would  require  a  certificate  from  DEC  on  disease                 
  prevention and transmission,  ear tattooing  and an ear  tag                 
  for  identification.   It  would  require  escape-proof  and                 
  entry-proof  fencing,  and  notification  of  birth,   sale,                 
  slaughter,  escape  and  death  of a  captive  moose.    The                 
  applicant would have  to agree to pay for  a necropsy when a                 
  captive moose dies to  determine the cause of death,  and be                 
  required to notify  DF&G if a  wild animal enters the  moose                 
  farming facility within 24-hours of the entry.  The facility                 
  would have to register their  moose with all three agencies,                 
  DEC, DF&G,  and DNR.  She said  the importation of moose for                 
  moose  farming  purposes,  and raising  moose  and  domestic                 
  livestock  on the  same facility  would be prohibited.   She                 
  informed  the  committee  that   the  two  amendments  being                 
  proposed were agreed to  by Senator Mike Miller,  sponsor of                 
  SB 46.                                                                       
                                                                               
  In answer to Senator Kerttula, Ms. Sager-Stancliff said that                 
  the way CSSB  46 was  presently written, domestic  livestock                 
  and  moose  would  not  be  allowed  in the  same  facility.                 
  Senator  Kerttula  advised  that   brucellosis  was  a  very                 
  dangerous and  easily transmitted  disease between  domestic                 
  and wild animals,  and this disease alone  made him cautious                 
  about domesticating moose.  Ms.  Sager Stancliff agreed that                 
  was also a concern of Senator Miller's.                                      
                                                                               
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  DAVE    KELLYHOUSE,    Director,   Division    of   Wildlife                 
  Conservation, Department of Fish  and Game, thanked  Senator                 
  Miller for including language that addressed DF&G's concerns                 
  regarding moose farming.  He said that a new fiscal note had                 
  not  been  prepared  for CSSB  46.    He  said that  if  the                 
  legislature and its constituents  believe that the potential                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  benefits of  moose farming  are great  enough to offset  the                 
  concerns and problems foreseen by  DF&G, then he recommended                 
  the  state  proceed  cautiously.   He  offered  a conceptual                 
  alternative to CSSB 46 that would provide for a  well-funded                 
  pilot project jointly administered by DF&G, DEC and DNR over                 
  the next five  years.   He suggested five  years because  in                 
  that time a moose could mature and reproduce, and monitoring                 
  could  be done  of  the operation  and  procedures could  be                 
  developed  to  safeguard  Alaska's  wildlife  resource.   He                 
  proposed that Alaska's  wildlife was worth  over a $100M  in                 
  hunting alone plus hundreds of  millions in tourist dollars.                 
  He said that  whatever approach  the legislature would  take                 
  regarding moose  farming, DF&G  should  be given  regulatory                 
  authority along with  DNR and DEC.  He  stated that DF&G had                 
  over 20 years experience for captive moose in the state.  He                 
  reiterated  that the potential  for disease  transmission to                 
  animals and humans, and the potential for poaching, are real                 
  concerns that must be dealt with if SB 46 was to pass.                       
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce questioned DF&G's request for a 5-year pilot                 
  project.  She felt that DF&G already had spent 30 years on a                 
  pilot project at  the moose  research center, and  questions                 
  should have been answered there.  She  said she was tired of                 
  DF&G saying no in a new way.                                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Kerttula said that money had  been funded to visit a                 
  large Scandinavian  moose facility.   His  opinion was  that                 
  questions  could  be  answered   by  investigating  existing                 
  facilities.  He said his  main concerns were biological, and                 
  cost to the state in the  enforcement of new regulations for                 
  moose facilities.                                                            
                                                                               
  In  answer to  Co-chair  Pearce's  request, Mr.  Kelleyhouse                 
  agreed to have  a new  fiscal note and  position paper  from                 
  DF&G ready for the next committee meeting.  Senator Kerttula                 
  asked  DF&G  to  speak to  his  suggestion  that information                 
  regarding moose  farming  was readily  available from  other                 
  facilities.   Mr. Kelleyhouse  said that  Dr. Chuck  Swartz,                 
  senior research biologist at the  moose research center, had                 
  contacted all the game farm operations in North America  and                 
  also one  in the Soviet Union.   He said the information Dr.                 
  Swartz had gathered has been the basis of DF&G testimony for                 
  the last  two years.   He said  Dr. Swartz was  developing a                 
  manuscript  on  moose farming,  and  it should  be available                 
  within two weeks.                                                            
                                                                               
  Mr.  Kelleyhouse explained  that what  he meant  by a  pilot                 
  program in earlier testimony was  that DF&G would work  with                 
  private enterprise at  a moose  facility.  Senator  Kerttula                 
  asked if DF&G felt that it  would take another five years of                 
  research at a facility or  does DF&G have enough information                 
  at this time.   Mr. Kelleyhouse said he believed  that moose                 
  farming  would  not be  commercially  viable in  Alaska, and                 
  there were other  problems too.   He said the DF&G  research                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  and information  has been  collected in other  jurisdictions                 
  and situations.   If moose  farming is going  to proceed  in                 
  Alaska under Alaskan situations,  other questions would have                 
  to be answered such as, availability of feed, transportation                 
  corridors, etc.  But he stated that DF&G would be willing to                 
  work with DEC and DNR in that regard.                                        
                                                                               
  JANICE ADAIR, Assistant  Commissioner, Chief  Administrative                 
  Officer,  Legislative  Contact, Department  of Environmental                 
  Conservation,  said that DEC did  not have any problems with                 
  SB  46.   She pointed out  that DEC  has a meat  and poultry                 
  inspection program, and within that program, employs a state                 
  veterinarian,  Dr. Bert  Gore.  She  quoted from  Dr. Gore's                 
  letter which addresses disease transmission, dated  February                 
  25, 1993 (copy on  file).  She read, "Confined  animals have                 
  difficulty transmitting disease to wildlife or other animals                 
  if there is no  contact.  Disease could only  be transmitted                 
  from  confined  animals   to  others   using  a  vector   or                 
  intermediate host," such as a flea.  "To date I am not aware                 
  of any  vectors, i.e.,  flies, ticks,  or snails,  in Alaska                 
  which  have  been incriminated  in  disease  transmission in                 
  livestock" with the exception  of dogs and cats who  "do get                 
  tapeworms from  shrews, rabbits and  some fleas."   She also                 
  said  that   Dr.  Gore,  because  of   research  information                 
  available, supported  the farming of  indigenous species  in                 
  Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Senator Kerttula said that he disagreed with Dr. Gore in his                 
  evaluation of  disease transmission.   He said a  vector did                 
  not have to be involved in disease transmission.  He said it                 
  could  simply be  a  dog that  went  under a  fence  and had                 
  contact with an animal, or simply  an animal that stepped in                 
  infected fecal matter.   He warned  that it was a  dangerous                 
  situation and not to be taken lightly.                                       
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce  asked  Cindy Roberts,  Special  Assistant,                 
  Department of  Commerce  and Economic  Development,  if  she                 
  wished  to  testify.    CINDY   ROBERTS  answered  that  the                 
  Department  of  Commerce  and  Economic  Development  was in                 
  support of SB 46, and directed the committee's attention  to                 
  a position paper by the Department in their files.                           
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce invited Doug Welton to join the committee at                 
  the table.  Since Mr. Welton had testified before in support                 
  of SB 46,  she asked  him to  confine his  testimony to  the                 
  changes to SB 46.                                                            
                                                                               
  DOUG  WELTON,  testifying for  himself,  said that  for five                 
  years he had  been working on  legislation to approve  moose                 
  farming.  He  felt a key to  passing SB 46 was  defining the                 
  word "surplus."   He said  that all over  Alaska moose  were                 
  being  killed by  cars and the  railroad.   He felt  that if                 
  individuals were allowed to salvage some of the "surplus" or                 
  orphaned moose,  and  relocated them  to  a farm,  it  would                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  provide an opportunity  for tourism and  education.  He  was                 
  grateful that  DF&G, for the  first time, had  offered their                 
  support to private moose enterprise.   He felt DF&G had been                 
  studying moose for  years.  Mr.  Welton admitted that  moose                 
  had been found to be one of the most uneconomical animals to                 
  raise  because  of their  peculiarities  and need  for large                 
  tracts of  land.   He agreed  that anyone  looking at  moose                 
  farming would  have to have  other financial  support.   His                 
  idea was to  develop a milk,  yogurt and cheese market,  and                 
  hoped someday, to have a small moose  herd to pass on to his                 
  children.    He  said  that raising  moose  gave  him  great                 
  pleasure, and he saw advantages to moose  farming other than                 
  economical.                                                                  
                                                                               
  In answer to  Senator Kelly, Mr.  Welton said he would  keep                 
  his   butchering   operation  separate   from   the  tourist                 
  attraction.  Mr. Welton said he would keep all the cows, but                 
  relocate any that he was unable to financially or physically                 
  care for.   He said bulls  would be butchered  at around  18                 
  months.  His  experience showed that hand  raised moose were                 
  able to be  bred at 18 months  rather than three years.   He                 
  said he would  raise some of the  moose as pets and  some as                 
  livestock.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank directed attention to amendment  #1 for SB 46                 
  which changed the language on  page 5, line 18 and  19, that                 
  said "on  the same  facility" to  read "in  the same  fenced                 
  area."  Co-chair  Frank then MOVED for adoption of amendment                 
  ADOPTED  for   incorporation  within  a   Finance  Committee                 
  Substitute for SB 46.                                                        
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp directed  attention to amendment #2  for SB 46                 
  on page 3, which said that the moose farm would provide safe                 
  facilities  for  the  veterinarian  and   the  animals  when                 
  required  inspections were  performed.   Senator  Sharp then                 
  MOVED for  adoption of  amendment #2.   No objection  having                 
  been  raised, the  amendment was  ADOPTED for  incorporation                 
  within a Finance Committee Substitute for SB 46.                             
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Pearce  asked if  Senator  Miller's intent  was to                 
  define the word  "surplus."   Ms. Sager-Stancliff said  that                 
  Senator Miller had considered an amendment addressing orphan                 
  moose.  Discussion followed between Senator Kerttula and Ms.                 
  Sager-Stancliff regarding orphan moose,  and if orphan moose                 
  could be  considered "surplus."   Co-chair Pearce  announced                 
  that CSSB 46(FIN) would be held in committee and heard again                 
  on Wednesday, March 3, 1993.                                                 
                                                                               

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